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RE: ISA16 - sub element delimiter
Bruce,
I'm not the one with the problem, John is. Unfortunately, the new trading
partner John's customer is dealing with doesn't understand X12 syntax.
At 03:44 PM 3/12/2004, wrote:
>Tom, your correct in your use of the sub-element separator but I think this
>is more
>of a data issue.
>
>It sounds more like the customer is using the | as the sub-element separator
>and then
>using the same character in the REF02 data. This is where the problem is.
>
>As a retailer receiving 810's, I don't really care what the separators are,
>as long as they
>are not used in the data as well. Creates lot's of fun when translating
>documents.
>
>See if they will allow your partner to send a different sub-element
>separator. Assuming that
>the | will be allowed into their application system.
>
>Bruce Shannon
>
>Home Hardware Stores Ltd.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Brandt [mailto:
>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:32 PM
>To: John Fiorino;
>Subject: Re: [EDI-L] ISA16 - sub element delimiter
>
>
>A sub-element separator separates sub-elements in a compound element. These
>are used extensively in EDIFACT, but not so much in X12. For example, the
>REF segment has for elements (funny your customer should have a problem
>with the REF):
>
>REF01 - Ref ID qualifier (element ID 128)
>REF02 - Ref ID (element ID 127)
>REF03 - Description (element ID 352)
>REF04 - Ref ID (element ID C040)
>
>The last element is a compound element which contains 6 subelements - 3
>pairs of Ref ID Qualifiers and Ref IDs.
>
>The element separator separates REF01, REF02, REF03 and REF04, and the
>subelement separator separates the subelements in REF04. If the element
>separator is "*", the subelement separator is ">", and segment terminator
>is "~", the REF can look like:
>
>REF*PK*1234**BM>4321~
>
>
>The usage of the subelement separator by your customer's trading partner is
>completely incorrect, as the REF02 is not a compound element.
>
>At 03:16 PM 3/12/2004, John Fiorino wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >Can someone please explain what the ISA16 SUB ELEMENT DELIMITER is for?
> >
> >I got a call today from one of my customers today and they had a rather
> >"animated" discussion today with one of their partners about the purpose
> >behind this segment.
> >
> >They (my customer) are sending a test 810 invoice out to one of their new
> >partners. They have sent the same 810 to a dozen or so other partners and
> >never had a complaint. In order to satisfy their business needs, they send
> >out multiple REF segments that basically contain a text field. It is really
> >mutually defined. The ref01 is ZZ and the ref02 contains a string that is
> >about 80 chars long that contains customs brokers data. The data is a text
> >field and for some unknown reason ("that's the way it's always been done")
> >the text contains a "|" (vertical bar) within this text. For example:
> >
> >REF*ZZ*this is| an example| of a string | that is sent | in the ref02
> >
> >The "|" serves as a kind of delimiter for the text itself not a true EDI
> >delimiter. They do this so their partners can import these strings into a
> >spreadsheet to print. In other words the | works like a comma in a comma
> >delimited string.
> >
> >Now the issue that their new partner brings up is that the ISA16 should
> >contain this bar | as the sub-element delimiter since according to them it
> >is used as the string delimiter within the REF02.
> >
> >Does this make any sense? Are they (the new partner) right in assuming that
> >the | is now the sub-element delimiter?
>
>--
>Tom Brandt
>Northtech Systems, Inc.
>130 S. 1st Street, Suite 220
>Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1343
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