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RE: X12 CICA: Is it the future? Does anyone really "mod el"?
William,
Even more important than the UBL schema themselves is their reliance on
open standards and their underlying standards based library of ISO
15000-5 Business Information Entities. Also supporting the UBL BIEs and
ready for prime time consumption is the UN/CEFACT library of context
neutral core components and soon to be released expanded library of
business information entities. UBL's XML Schema Naming and Design Rules
fully support ISO 15000-5/11179. The main difference between the UBL
and UN/CEFACT approaches and CICA is that whereas on the one hand CICA
is proprietary, UBL and UN/CEFACT are using open standards to develop
their process models, libraries, and XML schema. Whereas CICA requires
the use of the X12 Black Box, UBL and UN/CEFACT schemas can be created
by anyone using any tool. Whereas CICA is targeting North America, UBL
and UN/CEFACT are targeting the rest of the world and are already
experiencing adoption by public and private sector interests.
Mark
Mark R. Crawford
Senior Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead
W3C Advisory Committee, OASIS, RosettaNet Representative
Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC
Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group
Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: William J. Kammerer [mailto:
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:21 PM
> To: EDI-L Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [EDI-L] X12 CICA: Is it the future? Does anyone
> really "mod el"?
>
>
> Thanks. I'm not gonna live forever. So I guess you're
> saying that if a trading partner and I are willing to play
> around with XML now, that I have nowhere to go for a usable
> PO other than UBL. There's the notion of "time to market,"
> pal. Is the XML e-business standards ship done sailed as far
> as X12 is concerned?
>
> I learned EDI by reading a couple PIDX and VICS books and
> looking at their examples. I vaguely knew enough about the
> structure of X12 long before I ever had to tackle X12.5 and
> X12.6 which described the syntax using BNF. So I guess I
> don't want to have to read X12.7 and "imagine"
> what a PO would look like. I want an XML schema or example
> now. Where are some examples - even if incomplete - of XML
> messages based on CICA?
>
> Thanks in Advance.
>
> William J. Kammerer
> Novannet, LLC.
> Columbus, OH 43221-3859 . USA
> +1 (614) 487-0320
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Rawlins" <
> To: "EDI-L Mailing List" <
> Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 06:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [EDI-L] X12 CICA: Is it the future? Does anyone
> really "mod el"?
>
>
>
> At 05:42 PM 1/20/2005 -0500, William J. Kammerer wrote:
>
> >But are the "more definitive descriptions of CICA" available
> for free?
>
> As noted, the reference model may be freely downloaded.
>
> >What am I to look for in the catalog at DISA? How much does it cost?
> >Is this some not-ready-for-prime-time report that's being sold for an
> >arm-and-a-leg?
>
> The approved X12.7 standard appears currently to only be available as
> part
> of 005020. I believe it may also be avaliable through other
> channels. I'll post the details if I find out.
>
> >The UBL stuff (documentation and schemas) is available
> >for *free* at the OASIS site. If I wanted to "do" a purchase order -
> >today - in XML, assured that the model and schemas conform to ebXML
> >CCTS
> >[ISO 15000(-5)] and ISO 11179 , would I have any choice but to use
> >OASIS' UBL?
>
> Sure you would have choices! You could create your own XML PO that
> complied with those specs. But if you don't want to do that, I'm not
> aware
> at this point of any choices other than UBL. I'm sure UN/CEFACT, X12,
> and
> perhaps other bodies will be able to present you with other choices
> eventually.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael C. Rawlins, Rawlins EC Consulting
> www.rawlinsecconsulting.com
> Using XML with Legacy Business Applications (Addison-Wesley, 2003)
> www.awprofessional.com/titles/0321154940
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