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RE: X12 CICA: Is it the future? Does anyone really "model"?
William:
Would you please keep your personal observations about other
countries to yourself (first Canada, now Austria).
I have bit my tongue lately and said to myself that you are not
worth the bother but enough-is-enough.
Your attitude of how these other places really do not matter (ha ha)
is frighteningly naïve. Your government thumbed it's nose at
the UN a while back but now has come back to it on it's knees -
groveling in an embarrassingly unseemly manner. They, for one,
certainly now know who the Prime Minister of Canada is and what
Austria thinks.
-Paul
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|-----Original Message-----
|From: William J. Kammerer [mailto:
|Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:45 AM
|To: EDI-L Mailing List
|Subject: Re: [EDI-L] X12 CICA: Is it the future? Does anyone
|really "model"?
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|You're right, Mike, "many people on this list [don't] care much about
|the more arcane aspects of standards." But they might very
|well care who
|*already* (e.g., OASIS UBL) has standard business documents devised
|which conform to other standards, like W3C XML, ISO 15000-5 and ISO
|11179.
|
|And, no, we don't expect everyone to know why adhering to ISO 15000-5
|and ISO 11179 is a good thing; only standards developers have to know
|this stuff. But, suffice it to say, these foundational
|standards enforce
|a rational naming system and ensure a logical means of building the
|components that make up e-business messages. An XML e-business standard
|which does not fully conform to ISO 15000-5 and ISO 11179 might be
|deficient compared to one which does. Therefore, ISO 15000-5 and ISO
|11179 conformance are "good" things and can serve as "check-boxes" when
|choosing the standard you'll use when moving to XML.
|
|Perhaps the "burden of the blame for whatever breach ...
|between ASC X12
|and UN/CEFACT and OASIS lies more with the latter than the former." I
|wouldn't be surprised that it's due to those nefarious "Europeans [who
|were] mean to an X12 member," according to Mark Crawford. Maybe the
|mean Europeans were just turning the tables. I hear tale that at that
|meeting there were "mean" Austrians barraging a U.S. standards person
|with insults about America for her hegemony, arrogance and general lack
|of culture and couth. The ugly American then asked the
|Austrians if they
|knew what Americans said about Austria. "Sure," they said (note that
|everyone's speaking English, as Austrian is not ubiquitous). A:
|"Nothing."
|
|William J. Kammerer
|Novannet, LLC.
|Columbus, OH 43221-3859 . USA
|+1 (614) 487-0320
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|----- Original Message -----
|From: "Mike Rawlins" <
|To: <
|Sent: Monday, 24 January, 2005 02:45 PM
|Subject: RE: [EDI-L] X12 CICA: Is it the future? Does anyone really
|"model"?
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|I don't think very many people on this list care much about the more
|arcane aspects of standards, at least XML-based standards, or even if
|they do care they probably don't care having them discussed on
|this list
|very much. As we all know, what counts is market acceptance. So, I'm
|going to respond in as brief a fashion as possible. Mark's
|definition of
|"proprietary" still seems to me to stretch the usual meaning, and even
|if his definition is accepted I still feel that the degree of
|incompatibility is overstated. I think, Mark, that you also need to
|review X12.7 again. Granted, it is somewhat opaque, but some of the
|claims you make are simply not accurate, and you don't distinguish
|between ASC X12 process issues and the functioning of a "black box".
|
|In closing, to have some balance let me say that there are many in the
|ASC X12 community who feel that the burden of the blame for whatever
|breach there is between ASC X12 and UN/CEFACT and OASIS lies more with
|the latter than the former. However, I'm not going to take sides on
|that. For the sake of convergence, there are more appropriate forums to
|discuss this issue and the nuts and bolts of achieving convergence than
|this list.
|
|Cheers,
|
|Mike
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