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RE: [BULK] Re: Building Maps in Gentran

Well shut my mouth! I am truly amazed - for once my estimates were grossly
low! I had no idea that 'basic edition' was such a nightmare.
As an aside - though a previous poster alluded to this, it will help us on
this list if folks refer to the specific product, as this person
did. "Gentran" is a family and unless you tell us which product you're
talking about (like in that 3.x to 5 upgrade) most of us don't have a clue
what you're talking about.
Cheers,
Mike
At 09:54 AM 12/7/2005 -0500, Ilia Chlaifer wrote:
>I have to agree with Brian.
>
>When we first installed Gentran 'basic edition', we've spent 3 days
>trying to configure it on the Hardware, Software, Network and Client
>Access level. And we had someone from Sterling helping us, billing $200
>p/h
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>As a Proof of Concept we've created a mapping environment for one
>customer (1 810, 1 856 & 1 850 map only).
>Between the application specialists and business people and 2 Full-time
>Gentran specialists on premises it took over a month. Then we've tested
>transactions we the Trading Partner, and had to go back and made even
>more changes.
>
>Sounds like rocket since to me.
>
>Ilia
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: [mailto: On Behalf Of
>Brian Lehrhoff
>Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:47 AM
>To: Carla S. Hunt; EDI-L Mailing List
>Subject: [BULK] Re: [EDI-L] Building Maps in Gentran
>Importance: Low
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>No, I've worked at it very hard for the last 20 years. That's 20 years
>more experience than you have in EDI.
>
>Your first disservice as a consultant was overselling a solution to your
>
>customer. You really don't need to buy a mapper
>and all the supporting pieces to do one transaction. You could have
>written a program in one of your several languages
>and used an outsourcer to pass the data to you via ftp.
>
>You'll get quite an education installing the "basic" edition. Be
>prepared to spend plenty of time on the phone with support,
>and try to do it during the daytime ... when they are available and you
>can bill.
>
>The smartest thing you said was "... hire someone if I have to."
>
>The stupidest thing you did was insulting someone you don't know who
>could help you. I hope you don't have that attitude with
>your client ... no, wait, I hope you do so I get a new client.
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>Carla S. Hunt wrote:
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> > You underestimate me. I have written custom web applications and
> > standalone software in several different languages and have been
> > published. EDI is not rocket science. I will figure it out or hire
> > someone to help if I have to.
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> > I guess you were born knowing EDI.
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> > */Brian Lehrhoff < wrote:
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> > there is no such thing as "basic" edition.
> >
> > if you don't know the sterling product, you should tell your
> > employer so
> > they hire the appropriate
> > resources. you won't be able to do this on your own (but i defy
> > you to
> > try and bill the **** out
> > of your client.)
> >
> > Carla wrote:
> >
> > >Hello All,
> > >
> > >I am new to the group. I am a consultant. I am helping a company
> > >purchase and setup Gentran for Windows, Basic edition. Our client
> > will
> > >need one map for one trading partner and one map to integrate the
> > data
> > >into their accounting system.
> > >I have a fair amount of programming experience, just no
>experience
> > >with this software or EDI. How long would/should it take to build
> > >these maps? Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
> > >-Carla
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