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RE: Quantity Element in EDIFACT Version D99B
How come nobody has mentioned overpunch? :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Goodrum [mailto:
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:37 AM
To: 'Bill Chessman'; 'New EDI-L'
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Quantity Element in EDIFACT Version D99B
Your optimism dates you. Leading/Trailing signs was always an eye roller in
COBOL camps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Chessman [mailto:
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:28 AM
To: 'New EDI-L'
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Quantity Element in EDIFACT Version D99B
That seems to me like a lame excuse for switching to alphanumeric. One
would think most translation software (commercial or homegrown) would be
able to handle this. Of course, in my case in particular, one might be
completely misguided or overly optimistic. 8-)
Best regards,
Bill Chessman
Peregrine Systems, Inc. (...Though the opinions represented above are but
mine own...)
-----Original Message-----
From: stanley pool [mailto:
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:38 AM
To: William J. Kammerer; EDI-L Mailing List
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Quantity Element in EDIFACT Version D99B
In an SAP IDOC (and other types of output) the
negative quantity fields have a trailing sign(7.62-).
A numeric field will not accept a trailing sign. By
changing to an alphanumeric the value can be sent
without converting to a leading sign.
Cheers,
Stanley Pool
--- "William J. Kammerer" <
wrote:
> Ron:
>
> "Why is UN/EDIFACT D.E. 6060 Quantity is defined as
> an alphanumeric
> character string as opposed to a numeric (which can
> accommodate 'real'
> or 'decimal' numbers)?"
>
> This one has puzzled me, also, for some time over 2
> years now - though I
> don't worry about it nearly as often now that I'm
> not in the EDI
> productivity tools and compliance analysis business.
> It's not obvious
> to me what an alphanumeric quantity would look like:
> - "Three French
> Hens" or "Eight Maids A-milking"? Or is that a Unit
> of Measure? I was
> sure it wasn't an accident because the description
> said "Alphanumeric
> representation of a quantity" which means that the
> change from "n" to
> "an" element data type was not a slip of the
> fingers.
>
> But this really never bothered me enough to exert
> any effort to find out
> just why D.E. 6060 is defined as alphanumeric. But
> since I wanted to
> keep in touch with my old friends from UN/EDIFACT, I
> decided I would
> pose the query to Margaret Pemberton, Chair of T1
> Technical Assessment
> within the UN/EDIFACT EWG. She had complete records
> of the UN/EDIFACT
> Data Maintenance Requests (DMRs) from late 1998
> which effected the
> change.
>
> Unfortunately, the justification for changing D.E.
> 6060 was merely
> "Business requirements allow for the transmission of
> quantity
> information in either a numeric or alphanumeric
> form." The submitter of
> the DMR (Dun & Bradstreet) didn't show any examples
> of whatever they
> meant. So since the change was motivated by
> requirements in the
> Business Credit Report message (BUSCRD), maybe D&B
> wanted some way to
> say the total number of employees is "23 (exempt),
> 320 (non-exempt)" or
> that the total floor space in a particular building
> was "120 X 60" - I'm
> only guessing.
>
> Perhaps if you repeat the mantra "it's a business
> requirement," any kind
> of crap can get into the standard; I've certainly
> seen that happen in
> ANSI ASC X12. Examples like those I showed could
> have been easily
> accommodated with MEA segments, giving the linear
> dimensions of floor
> space; the employee breakdown could have been made
> more granular
> perhaps with the addition of Quantity type code
> qualifiers.
>
> XML doesn't help the matter, in case you were
> wondering.
>
> William J. Kammerer
> Novannet, LLC.
> Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859
> +1 (614) 487-0320
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Katz" <
> To: <
> Sent: Friday, 14 June, 2002 01:34 PM
> Subject: [EDI-L] Quantity Element in EDIFACT Version
> D99B
>
> Can anyone explain why EDIFACT would change the
> quantity element found
> in the 'QTY' segment of the D99B standards to
> Alphanumeric? I am
> referring to the Quantity composite, 1st element,
> 2nd composite (element
> 6060) in the "QTY" Segment. All previous versions
> define the element as
> a length of 15 and type numeric. Version D99B
> defines it as
> Alphanumeric with a max length of 35? I am very
> puzzled why EDIFACT
> would change a numeric element to alpha since this
> field would most
> likely be mapped to a numeric field. Any comments
> are appreciated.
>
> Ron Katz
> RK Consulting Inc.
> 401-334-2463
>
>
>
>
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