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RE: looking for unix utilities to deal with edi files(X12 837 format)

From: "Paul McTeigue" <paul_mcteigue@...>
Date: Wed Jul 16, 2003  2:40 am
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] looking for unix utilities to deal with edi files(X12 837 format)

>> Anyone who really knows EC selects the best tool available in the tool
>> chest to solve the problem that requires addressing.

Which is why those religious arguments against developing EDI software
are so annoying. I have programmed from scratch an EDI translator
and also re-sell two other commercial ones. Whichever solution is best
is the one that gets implemented.

Paul McTeigue
www.icefan.ca



-----Original Message-----
From: EDI [mailto: Sent: July 15, 2003 9:49 PM
To: Subject: RE: [EDI-L] looking for unix utilities to deal with edi files(X12
837 format)


Frankly, I do think that the point is that Perl is very useful and
powerful. Purchased software is limited only to the functions it was
created for.

If I really had ".nothing better to do with my time." I would probably
spend endless hours at the TLE Mapping Workbench attempting to get it
to perform functions that it was not designed to perform.

In the not so distant past I had a lot of better things to do with my
time, but instead I was being required to spend inordinate amounts of
time debugging Harbinger / Peregrine / Inovis / software.

The only cursing at my place of employment is due to fact that our
commercial translator software version will no longer be supported at
the end of this year and upgrading to the latest version is not in the
budget. Yes, the manager is unhappy, but not because Perl is no longer
supported.

Because I have not identified myself and have a point of view about the
purpose of mapping software and programming languages I am accused of
lacking business etiquette? Yes, I failed to attend that business
etiquette class. Of course, anyone who sells EC Solutions would not
argue for someone to obtain their own ability to make software. I
believe that I understand your point of view but do not understand how
accusations would attract me to ever use your solutions.

Anyone who really knows EC selects the best tool available in the tool
chest to solve the problem that requires addressing.








--- wrote:
> Quite frankly getting into a discusion with someone who doesn't even
> identify
> himself in a professional mailing list is probably not time well
> spent.
> While 'I_know_EC" may know a little about EC, I would suspect he
> doesn't know
> business etiquette. Of course, anyone who really knows EC wouldn't
> argue for
> make versus buy except in the most limited situations.
>
> Jim Divoky
> EC Solutions, Inc.
> > Frankly, I don't think the point really has much to do with the
> relative
> > usefulness or power of Perl (or any other language for that
> matter). The
> > cold hard fact of the matter is that an 837 is a very complex
> document to
> > work with (the average implementation guide runs in the range of
> 500-600
> > pages!!!). If you have nothing better to do with your time than to
> write
> > Perl or ___ (choose your favorite language), well, you'll certainly
> be busy.
> > My own advice, would be to think more about how to divide up the
> work into
> > modules maybe: Specifically, I'd recommend that you use Perl or
> ___
> > (whatever) to walk through the data and isolate the pieces so that
> they are
> > more easily accessible in appropriate data structures (or
> whatever). Once
> > it's more accessible, then think about where the data goes.
> >
> > Having said all that, I agree with those who suggested a commercial
> > translator as good, time-saving way to get the most out of EDI
> (would I be
> > safe in guessing that 837 isn't the only document being
> processed?). I
> > guess this is leading into a build vs. buy debate. I'll let others
> > (re-)hash that out. 8-)
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Bill Chessman
> > Inovis(tm), Inc.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: EDI [mailto: > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 5:13 PM
> > To: > > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] looking for unix utilities to deal with edi
> > files(X12 837 format)
> >
> >
> > I disagree. Perl can and does parse at least as good and some times
>
> > better than commercial translators. It is actually best to have
> Perl
> > and a good commercial translator. "Slight" changes will not
> necessarily
> > cause a Perl "translator" to fail to correctly parse. Major
> changes,
> > such as version changes may. However, version changes will
> definitely
> > require you to write a new map for that commercial translator.
> >
> > --- Leah Halpin < wrote:
> > > Eddie,
> > > Sorry to break this to you, but you need a translator. Or,
> you'll
> > > end up writing a "translation" program, say with PERL for
> instance,
> > > and if you do that, as soon as they (whoever is sending these
> claims)
> > > makes any slightest change, you're screwed.
> > > Good Luck,
> > > Leah
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: evhorig
> > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:55 AM
> > > Subject: [EDI-L] looking for unix utilities to deal with edi
> > > files(X12 837 format)
> > >
> > >
> > > Help!
> > >
> > > I am looking for reliable unix utilities
> > > that deal with edi (837 to be specific) data files?
> > >
> > > I'm looking for something that will allow me to pull
> > > specific fields out of an X12 837 edi file and put it into
> > > a ascii text file in whatever order i want.
> > >
> > > For instance, I could dump all pertinent information for each
>
> > > individual claim into seperate files so that i can construct
> > > a single claim from any single file without having
> > > to deal with all of the X12 loopibng/parsing.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not looking for something really involved with ftping
> files,
> > > connecting to clients, having to run a server process etc
> > >
> > > Something simple that takes an edi file as an arguement and
> maybe
> > >
> > > some kind of mapping file and spits out fields that i request.
> > > A program that converts an 837 edi file to individual ub92
> > > claim files would be a good start.
> > >
> > > It doesn't have to be free, but i don't want to break the
> bank
> > > either.
> > >
> > > Thanks for listening,
> > >
> > > Eddie
> > >
> > >
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