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RE: HIPAA: Does use of a qualifier mean validation should be done?
Rachel
I beg to differ.......
While logic tells us that 19999999 is an invalid date, it is not syntactically
incorrect in the AN (string) field in which it was placed. If DMG02 were a date
type data element I would agree with you that there would be a syntax error, but
it is not.
As defined by X12.6 section 3.5.1.4, A string data element is a sequence of any
characters from the basic or extended character sets and contains at least one
non-space character........
As defined by X12.6 section 3.5.1.5, A date data element is used to express the
standard date in either YYMMDD or CCYYMMDD format in which CC is the first two
digits of the calendar year, YY is the last two digits of the calendar year, MM
is the month (01 to 12), and DD is the day in the month (01 to 31).........
The string 19999999 clearly does not violate the syntax based on 3.5.1.4.
I believe a syntax error is an error based on a violation of X12.6, is that not
correct? That kind of error should generate a 997 back with a reject indicated
in the AK4 segment. Is there a code in data element 723 which you would return
in this case?
That said, I don't disagree that the software should have returned some kind of
an error message. The string is invalid based on the qualifier in DMG01. It is
just not a syntax violation.
Just for kicks, what would happen if someone sent 20031131 in that data element
or a date data element. Would you expect a similar error? That date is just as
invalid as the 19999999 date.
Doug
Doug Anderson
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rachel Foerster [mailto:
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 1:17 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [EDI-L] HIPAA: Does use of a qualifier mean validation
> should be done?
>
>
> Anthony, I don't agree with your conclusion re validation. DMG02 has a
> semantic note in the standard which says that the value is the date of
> birth. Code D8 states that the date is in the format of
> CCYYMMDD. With this
> specificity, it is clearly within the ability of any syntax
> analyzer to
> validate that the values are reasonable for each component of
> the date.
> Clearly 99 is not a valid value for the day nor for the month.
>
> Claredi is correct in classifiying that value of 19999999 as
> invalid at the
> syntax level of the X12 standards.
>
> Rachel Foerster
> Rachel Foerster & Associates, Ltd.
> Voice: 847-872-8070
> email: <mailto:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: anthonybeecher [mailto:
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:18 PM
> To:
> Subject: [EDI-L] HIPAA: Does use of a qualifier mean
> validation should be
> done?
>
>
> I am trying to classify an error level for a rejected data element,
> DMG02, where DMG01 is "D8" and the data value in DMG02 is "19999999";
> obviously there is no month 99 and no day 99.
>
> Claredi calls it a Level 1 error - against X12 Standard Requirements.
> I disagree with this assessment.
>
> In my mind, the only validation that is required relative to X12
> Syntax Requirements is that the field is type AN and sized from 1 to
> 35 bytes.
>
> From a pure X12 standpoint, does the use of a qualifier imply a
> forced validation of the format of the data element that it
> qualifies?
>
> I guess the possible answers would be:
> 1. no validation is required; only X12 AN and 1-35 applies
> 2. validation is required that 8 numeric values exist
> 3. validation is required that 8 numeric values exist and the
> subportions are expressing proper ranges 1-12 for MM and 1-31 for DD
> 4. If 3 - then leap year rules also apply?
>
> Thanks
> Anthony Beecher
>
>
>
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