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Re: <OFF-TOPIC>Globalization with Justice
Dear Mr. Paul McTeigue,
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Friends, Pls. note: This is going to be my last posting on topics
not directly related to EDI and/or topics that is not
specific to EDI only - that is, any posting of this posting's
nature. If anyone wants to exchange ideas in a civil manner,
please email me. Thank you!
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As I mentioned earlier, I have nothing personal against
anyone. I do not know who you refer to by 'You' and 'us'
when you said:
'You are, however, hitting us in the wallet and you
need to be sensitive to that fact regarding your
comportment on this list.'
I am not a beneficiary of outsourcing. I will more likely
fall in the category of 'victim', if I could blame outsourcing
for losing my job a couple of times.
I was under the impression that this was a forum on
the World Wide Web for EDI professionals (of all levels,
experts or not, beginner or not) all over the world.
Please correct me if it is not. May be, we can start
restricting this list to 'Western' people, let us build
some unbreakable security layer which will verify our
date of birth, SSN, Zip code, address, tel#, may be even DNA.
When I said I did not feel threatened by outsourcing, I did
not mean I could not lose my job. I have, in fact, lost mine
a couple of times in the past 4 years.
I am not sure if you are looking for the kind of 'social welfare'
and 'protection' that existed in former communist countries
and maybe in today's North Korea!
I am not here to persuade or convince anyone on anything.
Unfortunately I don't have any ready made or universal
solutions for all our problems. I hope I could broaden
my views by exchanging ideas with others.
I am ready to air my just views even if there is nobody to
support me. That is something I like about this country and the
country of my birth (India). No one is going to kill
me for doing that.
What I am trying to convey is that we (any nation or people)
can not demand others' to open up their markets and at the
same time wish / demand protection for ours. The services
provided by the so-called 'knowledge worker' is a product
just like a software built by Microsoft or Oracle. Each will
try to sell itself where it finds a market. No one has any
right to tell other: 'Buy my product, you close your shop'.
Market forces will show everyone where they belong to.
Let us take a couple of examples.
1. Coca cola / Pepsi were not in India till a few years ago.
Now the Indian soft drink market is dominated by these two.
Indian companies had either been forced out of business or
brands taken over by these two. (Jobs were lost, too). Even
though there is public outrage against Coke/Pepsi on several
fronts (health / environmental issues among others), their
profits are growing.
2. Almost all third (what does that mean!!??) world countries
spend billions of dollars every year buying arms, planes and
other high tech products from US / western companies.. They
are paying the top money not just for parts, but also
for the western people's skills and labor also.
Do YOU have a problem with that? Many of these countries
are the same ones where most of the outsourced jobs go.
3. In India, almost all computers (there are many millions out
there in homes, private/public/government offices) have
Microsoft, Intel, Oracle, you name it...I think this applies
to any nation.
These are only a few examples of global economy. I can go on and on.
In all these cases, none is really forcing those countries to buy
from US companies. Just like that, no one is forcing US companies to
outsource. It is their decision with their bottom line in mind.
Everyday the economy is getting more and more integrated globally -
whether you and I like it or not. Everyone is going to stay on
top by cutting costs. Everyone is trying to sell what they have
in abundance. If the buyer gets quality and value for what he
is paying, he will keep buying until he finds better quality and
value elsewhere.
(A small question about the agricultural war which US won -
Does US consume all agricultural goods it produces
or do they export any?)
Every nation / society has a responsibility to ensure basic
welfare of its people and it is upto them how they go about
doing it.
This is a great democratic country. Its people can and will
correct injustices, if there is any. It may take time. If the majority
of the population believes that outsourcing is bad for the
nation, it will find ways to put an end to it.
Any policy or action of major entities in a modern economy
will create victims. It is upto the government, society,
and in turn the people of the country to find out and do
what should be done in order to achieve the best possible state.
That will show the true character of a nation.
Regards,
S Vengat
--- In "Paul McTeigue" <paul_mcteigue@m...>
wrote:
> Mr. S Vengat:
>
> I am afraid that you are not going to persuade any "Western" who
> has lost their job to a cheaper "Eastern" resource of a "win-win"
> situation.
>
> When one can no longer provide for their family, their reaction is
> immediate and visceral and takes one of two forms. Denial - "This
is a big
> mistake because I am better in the long run" or, "We need regulatory
> relief. How can the government stop this." Neither of these
responses
> will be effective because the first one is plain wrong and the
second
> one is a short-term band-aid.
>
> One of the really exacerbating factors is the notion that these
jobs being
> lost are not the familiar blue-collar ones but the so-called
knowledge
> worker ones that are supposed to be so in demand. No longer is
global
> sourcing limited to manufacturing. We have been through the textile
wars
> and the auto wars and the only war that the West has won - if you
define
> winning by keeping jobs in-house - is the agricultural one.
>
> Yes, Western man is outraged by simplistic EDI questions whose
answer will
> only seemingly accelerate this trend, however, this outrage is just
the
> normal
> first reaction.
>
> If we were all utopian and considered ourselves citizens of the
world, we
> would perhaps
> have a more favourable disposition. You are, however, hitting us in
the
> wallet and you need
> to be sensitive to that fact regarding your comportment on this
list.
>
> Paul
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