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RE: Frequent Requests for Routine Mapping Help
Robert,
I would agree to you except for one thing.
I think it is easier for you to have that view because you have a job.
A lot of us are looking at this from the prospective that we lost our job to
outsourcing.
Regards,
Jim Drewniak
-----Original Message-----
From: Richer, Robert [mailto:
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:05 AM
To:
Subject: [EDI-L] Frequent Requests for Routine Mapping Help
Bonjour,
I'm not interested in politics & I hate politics but I though that the
main
goal of this group was to help each other regarding EDI questions/issues.
If a guy is new on EDI & asking basic questions, well so be it & be kind
enough to answer it. One day one of us might ask a trivial question even
after many years of experience in EC because it's a section of EC that you
have not explored. That day, you will appreciate to get an answer.... I
don't think that any of us should decide if we should or should not help
someone out of your own country of origin. This problematics is not for
EDI/EC guys but for politicians & company managers.
We should stick to EDI/EC issues only. There are certainly other forums
regarding outsourcing & related issues.
This is my personal opinion.
Thanks & have all a great weekend,
Robert Richer
Spécialiste EDI
EDI Specialist
IPEX Inc.
3 Place du Commerce
Île-des-Soeurs
Verdun (Québec)
H3E 1H7
Tél.: (514) 769-2200 ext.: 233
1-800-363-2620
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Ackerman [mailto:
Sent: January 22, 2004 22:12 PM
To: Darrell Hughes;
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Re: Frequent Requests for Routine Mapping Help
I agree!!!!!!!! I'm sick of seeing posts on this list with questions like
"I'm new to Gentran can someone please let me know how to create a new
map
or come to India to teach" :-) This list is starting to become a
hangout
for so called "experts" to ask the most basic questions.
Darrell Hughes < wrote:
Aren't you missing the point, being that some on the list here, do not
want to help out some foreign outsourcer? Something akin to training
the guy to take your job. They probably took the contract putting
themselves forth as having experienced EDI consultants/employees, and
end up asking this list or others for the most basic of help when they
get their software installed. I for one, don't want to enable an
outsourcer to do that. Let them struggle and hopefully fail, and some
company will learn a lesson the hard way. You don't pinch pennies and
throw away dollars.
Darrell
Views are mine alone.
>>> "Hurd, Richard [SLCUS]" < 01/22/04 02:31PM
>>>
There is a big difference between someone who asks for help, and
pitches in
themselves when they're able -- and someone who simply asks questions
and
performs a thinly-veiled knowledge transfer.
We've seen both kinds of people here, and I think that most of the
people
here can tell one kind of person from another. I would hope, anyway.
I
hope *I* can tell the difference.
Not to get into the metaphysical, but I think all the subscribers can
examine their own conscience and discover for themselves what kind of
person
they are trying to be here.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: svg1970 [mailto:
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:38 PM
> To:
> Subject: [EDI-L] Re: Frequent Requests for Routine Mapping Help
>
>
> Dear friends,
>
> Let me try to throw my 2 cents here.
>
> BTW, I am not an offshore entity, not that I have anything
> against them. I do think there is room for everyone in this planet.
>
> About the routine mapping help request: I believe I have sent
> out a few of my own. I have got some great people (Peter O included)
> reply to this forum as well as to my email. Besides that,
> I have greatly benefited from reading others' posts and
> responses in this and some other EDI forums. Whenever
> someone had a question / problem with which I could help,
> I do so.
>
> I had been working on EDI and related techno-business area in Asia /
> Europe / US for about 10 years. One of the benefits of being a
> consultant is that you get to work on several platforms / products /
> industry segments..., you name it....And, a sharp learning curve is
> thrown in every 6 months. Spending a couple of grands to learn a new
> EDI product / translator is not feasible all the time. Those training
> programs by EDI vendors are not available in all places either. If
> it is readily available, I am sure, many more would be willing
> to upgrade themselves. That would be true in offshore hubs in
> India, China, Phil.., Russia or Ireland too.
>
> In any case, no one is forcing anyone to give answers or tips.
> I believe most folks here feel good about doing so. If anyone wants
> to start a pay-site, I dont think anyone is stopping us in doing
> so either. I do not believe that was the motivation behind this
> forum. I may be wrong, I am not regular here...I was not one of
> the founding fathers / mothers either.
>
> Have a good day and week-end ahead, everyone.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> S Vengat
>
>
>
>
> --- In "Hurd, Richard [SLCUS]" <rhurd3@C...>
> wrote:
> > I believe that we've been 'discovered' by offshore entities the way
> that
> > college students 'discover' comp.lang.java.help when they're faced
> with
> > their first Java homework for Comp Sci 101.
> >
> > Most of the netizens there can smell a newbie a mile away, and
> requests like
> > this are met with either silence, flames, a curt RTFM or "Do your
> own
> > homework."
> >
> > We're doing the same here. With my "pay site" suggestion I'm only
> saying
> > that if these poseurs want the help so bad, the least they can do
> is break
> > out the Visa card. LOL
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Peter Olivola [mailto:polivola@s...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:48 AM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: [EDI-L] Frequent Requests for Routine Mapping Help
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone else see the irony in the continuous requests for
> > > routine mapping
> > > explanations of the sort that are covered in the basic
> > > training that is
> > > provided by translator/mapper software vendors in the U.S.?
> > > Throws some
> > > illumination on the overseas outsourcing vs. domestic cost/value
> > > relationship.
> > >
> > > Peter Olivola
> > > 708 445 0023
> > > polivola@s...
> > >
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